[Krlll]

I just think if you are buying a new case why not get someting with better case cooling to begin with.
Binning?Yes I am aware of how the binning process works.......so what?
Carbon if you say that 650W PSU with 30amps on 12V rail will run all the components plus crossfire fair enough.I stand corrected.
Fordyford your post doesnt offer very much insight,a cramped case is a cramped case the Cosmos for example looks great but its all from no function IMO.
All this cooling isnt important nonsense needs to stop.The OP lives in Australia,case cooling will no doubt be an important factor for him.

[Carbon]

The air going out is only as hot as the air going in: the effectiveness of the case fans/the case's airflow has to be judged objectively regardless of ambient temperatures. Assuming that the Cosmos and P182 do even an adequate job of moving air through the case (which they do), ambient temperature cannot really factor into case selection too much. After all, cases designed for maximum cooling are designed that way to counter the effects of configurations like multicard that cause stagnation and suck air away from those pockets. So no matter how many 120mm fans you have, it probably won't mitigate Australian heat. There may be a difference, but I doubt it is significant and I'd rather even go through the hassle of installing a aftermarket cooler on my GPU than contend with building in the crap that passes as "xxxxtreme cooling" cases on the market today.

I also assume that the OP can probably buy a pretty nice new air conditioner with the money he saves. But the location point is a fair one in general, I just don't think it warrants a massive change in case spec.

[Krlll]

Carbon all valid points though you do contradict yourself by saying "After all, cases designed for maximum cooling are designed that way to counter the effects of configurations like multicard that cause stagnation"this is in between your argument that the ambient temps are the most important thing.
Regardless you seem to be a P182 fanboy(looking at sig).I have used many different cases and those mid towers soon get clogged with hardware and cables and turn into ovens.Buying a full ATX case was the best thing I did(after I spent ages modding and cable tidying the smaller cases,which was a wate of time mostly).
My own opinion is this...
The guy wants to spend big money on a PC,I agree some of the changes are over the top but your recommendations for a high end build are mediocre at best.
Just go i7 and splash out on a decent case.The rest follow Carbons advice.

[Carbon]

First of all, you're completely misunderstanding what I said. My point was that cases expressly designed for "cooling" are designed that way because multicard setups and their ilk create heat pockets and so to counter these effects cases are created to push/pull as much air as possible out of anywhere it can try to stagnate. This is not the case with a single card build as recommended both by me and apparently by you and therefore none of these cases are going to provide more than a statistical drop in the bucket when ambient temperatures are an issue.

That resolved, you're calling me a "fanboy" for quoting a off-forum joke. Can we not bring the [XTREMEOVERCLOCKERS]NVIDIASUXATIRULEZINTELFANBOY trash here? There's a reason I post here and it's because it's free of uninformed people with too much money and too little sense arguing about who's the "fanboy" of what. I don't hold any brand loyalty, I don't hold any model loyalty, and if the P182 was my ~favorite case ever~ (hint: it's not) it would therefore have very good reasons to be so.

Now with the [H]ARDOCP-esque meta-discussion aside, poor cable management by design or otherwise on your previous midtowers is not relevant to either case that has been recommended to the OP. Both ship with excellent cable management features. The P182/3 has cable management holes and the Cosmos is a full tower case. The 620HX is modular and should prevent any "clogging" as should the motherboard's layout.

To make offhand remarks like "you should get an i7" without backing them up is nonsensical at best and misleading at worst. If you can't back your recommendations up with anything other than your own experiences it's a waste of time to contradict others unless they're in the mood to call you a fanboy back (I don't play these games). The plural of 'anecdote' is not 'fact'.

[Krlll]

lol I am far too busy gaming to go googling about the joys of the i7 especially versus the X3.
Try googling i7 versus X3,loads of anecdotal stories there!
Like this
http://www.madshrimps.be/vbulletin/f...ll-3ghz-61229/
And thats at 3Ghz the i7 920 is hitting 4ghz regularly(sorry I only have more "anecdotal" evidence about the 4Ghz from the intertubes and not my own personal experience).
The guy wants high end stuff let him get it.

I am not privvy to your off-forum discussions so had no way to know that your sig championing the P182 was anything other than humourous fanboyism.

Agreed we are not talking about a dual card setup here but the OP was and even if he has now been put off the idea in the future he may want to add another card.

Like I said Carbon I have agreed that some of his ideas are excessive even for a top end build(12GB Ram lol) but your recommendations esp that CPU and IMO the case are not really that exciting for the money he wants to spend.

Re the triple channel ram.I was (strangely enough) confused becaue I jumped from his post to yours and saw i7 mobo and then read your ram recommendations.

Danny87
If I were you I would keep the build as is but change the GPU to the 4890(as suggested by Carbon).
Change PSU(as also suggested by Carbon).
Save money on i7 by getting a 920 and overclocking it(you are spending that cash on a fancy motherboard for a reason right?).You may hit 4Ghz easily enough with proper cooling.
Get the biggest case you can find! lol
Its easier to work with,its cooler and you have far more room for anything you might want to add in the future.

[danny87]

well when i get a new tower i am intending on gettin a new monitor as well so this old 19" one wont affect it to much.
but i have been having a lil look around and have made some major changes. Do u think this is any better at all ? ??

Comp 1

CPU - - Intel CORE 2 QUAD Q9650/3GHz/12MB CACHE/1333MHz FSB/LGA775
MB - - Asus STRIKER II EXTREME NVIDIA nForce 790i Ultra SLI DDR3
RAM - - OCZ 4G(2x2G) DDR3 Reaper 1600 PC12800
PSU - - Antec 1000W TruePower Quattro ATX & EPS 12V Power Supply Modular Cables
HDD - - Western Digital 1TB SATAII 32M 3GB/s(WD1001FALS) (x2 total $322)
VID - - Gigabyte GTX295 PCI-E 2.0 1792MB DDR3
DVD - - LG DVD22X+- DUAL LAYER DVD Rewriter with Software(GH22NP20)
CASE- - SilverStone Raven Black ATX Tower with Window Black NO PSU


Comp 2

PROC : Intel Core 2 Quad Q9650/3GHz -
MOTHERBOARD : Gigabyte EP45 Extreme -
MEMORY : 2 x 2GB Kingston Hyper-X (low latecy) gaming RAM -
POWER : Antec 1000W True Power Quattro -
STORAGE : Samsung Spinpoint 1TB 32MB Cache -
OPT DRIVE : LG H20L BluRay Burner -
OPT DRIVE : LG DVD SuperMulti Dual / Double Layer 22x -
GRAPHICS : Gigabyte nVidia GTX295 PCI-E 1792MB -
CASE : InWin B2 ATX Gaming Chassis -

Comp 3

Antec TWELVE HUNDRED Full Tower Gaming Case NO PSU

Antec 850W CP850 ATX PSU For TWELVE-HUNDRED P183 P193 CP850 ONLY

Intel CORE 2 QUAD Q9650/3GHz/12MB CACHE/1333MHz FSB/LGA775

Gigabyte GA-EP45-EXTREME P45+ICH10R DDR2 1200 1600MHz PCI-E SATAII RAID GLAN 1394a 7.1Ch Audio ATX U
Corsair TWIN2X4096-8500C5DF 4GB (2x XMS2 2GB) PC-8500 (1066MHz) DDR2 5-5-5-15 Dominator Airflow Fan
XFX HD4890 PCI-E 2.0 1G Black w/Hawx

Logitech G5 Laser Mouse

Logitech G15 Gaming Keyboard Refresh


LiteON IHAS324 SATA DVD-RW 24X Black Retail
Netgear WN311B, RANGEMAX NEXT 270Mbps WLESS PCI ADAPTER 802.11N





Plus a monitor any what ever else lil bits and pieces get thrown in

[4D(Fordy(Ford) Ollie]

Why are you suddenly going for a Q9650 now?

It's four cores won't add a gaming advantage, just the clock rate of the first two.

So you'd be getting a 3GHz dual core effectively, for $350 or £265

Rather than say, a E8600 which is dual core natively, at 3.33GHz for £215

So that'd be better performance, for £50 less.

[Carbon]

Originally Posted by Krlll

lol I am far too busy gaming to go googling about the joys of the i7 especially versus the X3.
Try googling i7 versus X3,loads of anecdotal stories there!
Like this
http://www.madshrimps.be/vbulletin/f...ll-3ghz-61229/
And thats at 3Ghz the i7 920 is hitting 4ghz regularly(sorry I only have more "anecdotal" evidence about the 4Ghz from the intertubes and not my own personal experience).
The guy wants high end stuff let him get it.

I'm done with this ridiculousness. If you want to champion recommendations more about e-peen than relevancy do it on [H]ardOCP. I have written extensively about the reasons i7 is not worth it already and you have had plenty of chances to rebut them. If the OP really wants to get a quad core processor with a high clock speed he can get the X4 955 anyway and at least have a socket that isn't dead at the same time.

Computer hardware is not about being "exciting", if you're "excited" about having a new processor because it has a different name and all your XTREME GAMER friends are buying it fine but don't drag others into spending hundreds of dollars they don't need to spend on pieces of silicon. Having a high budget doesn't mean people have to turn into drooling idiots about what they select. The X3 720 may be a processor that works for midrange systems too but that doesn't make it a poor pick for anything else.

Originally Posted by danny87

well when i get a new tower i am intending on gettin a new monitor as well so this old 19" one wont affect it to much.
but i have been having a lil look around and have made some major changes. Do u think this is any better at all ? ??

Somewhat, but not totally. You've got several good picks spread across all three of those. #3 is the best option, with a X3 720/X4 955 & 790X motherboard subbed for the CPU and motherboard and the P183 subbed for the case. You may as well get 8GB of RAM if it's relatively cheap there as it is almost everywhere else. And I do think one SSD is something to look into.

We discussed the 4890 as a good pick, but the CP850 is one of the best power supplies on the market and its new form factor is nice (I just didn't know if it was available there). I'd rather have a MX518 than a G5 but mouse/keyboard are subjective. I'm not sure you need a wireless adapter: gaming over wireless isn't the best proposition, but if you have to do it (can't get Ethernet connection from where the modem is, etc) then do it.

[danny87]

sorry couldnt see my last reply :s

[Krlll]

Originally Posted by Carbon

I'm done with this ridiculousness. If you want to champion recommendations more about e-peen than relevancy do it on [H]ardOCP. I have written extensively about the reasons i7 is not worth it already and you have had plenty of chances to rebut them. If the OP really wants to get a quad core processor with a high clock speed he can get the X4 955 anyway and at least have a socket that isn't dead at the same time.

Computer hardware is not about being "exciting", if you're "excited" about having a new processor because it has a different name and all your XTREME GAMER friends are buying it fine but don't drag others into spending hundreds of dollars they don't need to spend on pieces of silicon. Having a high budget doesn't mean people have to turn into drooling idiots about what they select. The X3 720 may be a processor that works for midrange systems too but that doesn't make it a poor pick for anything else.

I dont frequent HardOCP whatever that is.
Like it or not the i7 is hitting all the high numbers if that = e-penis to you go see a shrink.
You may have written extensively about how the i7 is not worth it but not in this thread.Should I go looking for other posts of yours elsewhere so I get my big chance for rebuttal?
The only mention you make of it here is......
Another option is to wait for i5/i7 on LGA-1156, Intel's new flagship CPU platform. I would do this if I could wait a little while because i5's Turbo Mode scaling is excellent and it looks to be a great platform. If you can wait a couple months this would be my option, but with that amount of money you could even probably buy this machine now and then that one later and still pocket quite a bit!

Hmmmm.....
The rest of your post that is more than likely aimed at me but possibly also the OP is nothing but insulting.
Carbon you may not understand that some people are into computers like they are into cars,they like to make them run faster,they like to modify them or they just plain like technologhy/cars!
This does not make them "drooling idiots".

You want to offer the OP a cheap alternative to all the very high end stuff that is not worth the cash.

I am only doing the same with some variation that in my opinion will make the OP alot happier about his purchase in a few years time.

Sorry you cant understand that or respect my opinion without resorting to veiled insults(drooling idiot,e-peen,extreme gamer friends and all that nonsense).