[Hybr!d]

Originally Posted by Bubba

LOL when I saw that you had the last post I was worried you were closing it down. Glad you didn't. Not only is this fun to watch, but I am learning a lot following the links. I think when all is sadi and done and the dust clears, I'll take the info from the "opposing sides" condense it and write a compare and contrast article on the two schools of thought...............

BTW don't bogart that popcorn, pass the bag.

Don't really have a problem with this, it's still fairly constructive.

[4D(Fordy(Ford) Ollie]

Originally Posted by Krlll

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Haha why would you dremel out holes in a new case when you could just buy one with more fans?

Err, because you'd end up with a much better result? And while not breaking the bank fr £25, it still is a saving, it don't cost you nuttin, doing it yourself.

And who needs 7 fans anyway?! You could place them better and an amount much more appropriate, say 2 in and 2 out.

Plus the 1200 is butt ugly anyway. How many people would honestly want a spaceship from a tacky '80's sci fi movie landing on their desk?

I wouldn't - that's the 1200 out for me then.

Originally Posted by Hybr!d

Don't really have a problem with this, it's still fairly constructive.

That's the best thing about it, it would be the pettiest of arguments ever, if each post weren't constructed well and posing a good point and using skillful language techniques!

A*! (Or A+, if either of you are yanks )

[Krlll]

Fordy you are not factoring in the cost of bits for your dremel and more improtantly the fans you would have to buy.
I dont see why this would yield "better results" either.

The Antec 1200 isnt to everyones taste and thats fine,enjoy your hatred.
The top fan is unnecessary IMO but the front 3 are fine.
The bottom one sends cool air over my HDs.
The middle one and side one send air towards to GPU.
The top one sends air straight in to the path of my CPU cooler.
Then 2 for exhaust at the back.
The lights I can do without especially if I watch movies.
I would in fairness prefer if they were not there.
A quick cut will soon sort that problem though if it gets too annoying. hmmmmmm...

[Bubba]

Brief Interlude: Ok, so I live under a rock and have NEVER seen that "let me google that for you." That was hilarious. I have it bookmarked now. LOL I WAS going to ask you Krill what that was but I figured your response would look something like this.

EDIT: LOL it took me 5 tries to get it to work. Where's my sign?

[Carbon]

Originally Posted by Krlll

Once again you put words in my mouth.
I did not say anything about the Antec 1200 being the only case he could use.

Care to name one? One that doesn't suck? What was your objection to the CM 1000 again? It's too useful or something? Not enough LEDs? Too many features?

The CPU is not useless for gaming as I pointed out in an earlier post.
RIGHT HERE!

W-whoa man you've totally owned me here. You're right, clock speed makes a huge difference at the oh so common resolution of 800x600! Perhaps if we had a time machine and a couple flux capacitors we could warp to ten years into the future from our current time, the year 1997. I really feel bad now, I wish I had posted several pages earlier stating that benchmarks drop resolution down to those levels to test CPU mettle because at any resolution anyone uses there is no significant difference or something, but sadly that post was lost in the Time Explosion (or you never read it)! I mean, I appreciate the fact you're actually trying here with such novel ideas as "supporting inferences with sources", and I really think that a lot of time could be saved had you done this before, but I wish that we could have a real debate here that didn't involve googling for 'cpu fps help me rationalize spending hundreds of dollars google and how to get on the AOL machine' and clicking "I'm Feeling Lucky".

disinformation on your part.
That is utter nonsense,there are countles cases too small to accomadate the larger GPUs.
Need Proof?
Here

Thanks for that hilarious flash applet sire, but I think you've missed a glaring flaw. The 8800GTX is a G80 GPU. I just mentioned that its introduction was the very thing that prompted every single midtower case being produced past 2007 to fit every GPU available. More succinctly, because these elaborate feats of reason seem to be eluding your comprehension: The REASON NEW CASES ARE HUGE IS BECAUSE OF THE PEOPLE IN THOSE GOOGLE RESULTS. So yeah, I would expect several thousand people to collectively bitch about how 8800GTX and other G80 GPUs don't fit in their case because you have so dastardly linked me to google results detailing said bitching from the very time frame I already mentioned was the cause of those cases expanding. In short, for roughly the sixth time in this thread you have linked a result utterly contradictory to your own assertion that you will likely again ignore the fact you ever brought it up and move on to the next vague XTREME GAMER platitude. Let's spin the roulette wheel..CPU cache size? Maybe "the eye can't see over 30 fps"?

Here let me quote you to save some time.

I'm trying to figure out what I assume you think is contradictory here between the utterly heterogeneous statements, "I'm not responding to meta-discussion" and "I'm not responding to meta-discussion". I mean I'm sure you have me in some sort of crazy web of logic where any time now you dramatically scream out OBJECTION but somehow I'm not following you here?????

ps I hope you realize that the LEDs on the fans are coupled with their molex connectors and you can't cut them

pps have fun taking an hour to remove those fan bezels (requires an act of god to reattach) trying to switch them out with fans that don't have gaudy lights, i'm sure the OP will too

[Krlll]

Care to name one? One that doesn't suck? What was your objection to the CM 1000 again? It's too useful or something? Not enough LEDs? Too many features?

Here we go again.
I had no objections to the CM 1000 so you can give up on that angle.

W-whoa man you've totally owned me here. You're right, clock speed makes a huge difference at the oh so common resolution of 800x600! Perhaps if we had a time machine and a couple flux capacitors we could warp to ten years into the future from our current time, the year 1997. I really feel bad now, I wish I had posted several pages earlier stating that benchmarks drop resolution down to those levels to test CPU mettle because at any resolution anyone uses there is no significant difference or something, but sadly that post was lost in the Time Explosion (or you never read it)! I mean, I appreciate the fact you're actually trying here with such novel ideas as "supporting inferences with sources", and I really think that a lot of time could be saved had you done this before, but I wish that we could have a real debate here that didn't involve googling for 'cpu fps help me rationalize spending hundreds of dollars google and how to get on the AOL machine' and clicking "I'm Feeling Lucky".

Ah sarcasm,good old sarcasm.The lowest from of wit.
The reason for running at 800x600 was explained in the article.
But as usual you chose to ignore something that doesnt support your own blinkered view.

Thanks for that hilarious flash applet sire, but I think you've missed a glaring flaw. The 8800GTX is a G80 GPU. I just mentioned that its introduction was the very thing that prompted every single midtower case being produced past 2007 to fit every GPU available. More succinctly, because these elaborate feats of reason seem to be eluding your comprehension: The REASON NEW CASES ARE HUGE IS BECAUSE OF THE PEOPLE IN THOSE GOOGLE RESULTS. So yeah, I would expect several thousand people to collectively bitch about how 8800GTX and other G80 GPUs don't fit in their case because you have so dastardly linked me to google results detailing said bitching from the very time frame I already mentioned was the cause of those cases expanding. In short, for roughly the sixth time in this thread you have linked a result utterly contradictory to your own assertion that you will likely again ignore the fact you ever brought it up and move on to the next vague XTREME GAMER platitude. Let's spin the roulette wheel..CPU cache size? Maybe "the eye can't see over 30 fps"?

Where is your proof that every case since the launch of G80 is big enough??
Its possible I suppose but all case manufacturers all over the world suddenly decide to make cases that suit the larger GPUs?Sounds pretty unlikely to me.
What have I linked to that undermines my own opinion??
Six times eh please point them out!
And now we hear the cry of the weak...but but but cache size er XTREMEGAMER er er spin the wheel er HARDOCP er er stupid lights,stupid case....

I'm trying to figure out what I assume you think is contradictory here between the utterly heterogeneous statements, "I'm not responding to meta-discussion" and "I'm not responding to meta-discussion". I mean I'm sure you have me in some sort of crazy web of logic where any time now you dramatically scream out OBJECTION but somehow I'm not following you here?????

ps I hope you realize that the LEDs on the fans are coupled with their molex connectors and you can't cut them

pps have fun taking an hour to remove those fan bezels (requires an act of god to reattach) trying to switch them out with fans that don't have gaudy lights, i'm sure the OP will too

Why are you putting things in quotes that neither of us ever said?
Yep Im starting to wonder what the hell you are talking about half the time aswell.
Seems you mostly have some kind of hatred towards gaming PCs,lights and HARDOCP(did you get kicked off there or something?)
If the fans are wired the way you say they are then that idea is out the window.Pity I dont trust you I could have saved myself some time but will have to check myself

What bezels are you talking about?
The grill on the front?
Thats 6 screws,sounds like a major pain to remove that alright

Carbon a great many of your objections are based purely on your own tastes.
You use increasingly weak and desperate arguments trying to defend your build recommendation,these arguments have now "evolved" into lame hair splitting and verbal gymnastics and thats only when you take a break from your unfunny bouts of sarcasm.

In short you are getting boring.....Maybe boredom will finally drive me away from this thread.

[Carbon]

Originally Posted by Krlll

Here we go again.
I had no objections to the CM 1000 so you can give up on that angle.

okay that's settled, OP get the CM 1000. glad we could clear that up.

The reason for running at 800x600 was explained in the article.
But as usual you chose to ignore something that doesnt support your own blinkered view.

hahah what are you talking about who cares what the reason is (even though i just told you what it was). the OP is not running at 800x600. i don't care what artificial conditions you can set up to try to support your claim, they're not relevant.

Where is your proof that every case since the launch of G80 is big enough??
Its possible I suppose but all case manufacturers all over the world suddenly decide to make cases that suit the larger GPUs?Sounds pretty unlikely to me.

well, that's what happens when the only brand that had anything worthwhile for gaming for an entire GPU generation makes cards that's huge.

What have I linked to that undermines my own opinion??
Six times eh please point them out!
And now we hear the cry of the weak...but but but cache size er XTREMEGAMER er er spin the wheel er HARDOCP er er stupid lights,stupid case....

read your own thread. half the links you've posted ended up either saying the same thing as I did or actively countermanded your own

Why are you putting things in quotes that neither of us ever said?

that is called "paraphrasing" it is clearly a rhetorical skill only known by the posting bourgeois.

Seems you mostly have some kind of hatred towards gaming PCs,lights and HARDOCP(did you get kicked off there or something?)

i have a hatred for people who get so caught up in their own ego they make other people pay money to satisfy it.

What bezels are you talking about?
The grill on the front?
Thats 6 screws,sounds like a major pain to remove that alright

it's not the screws. i dare you to try it though.

Carbon a great many of your objections are based purely on your own tastes.
You use increasingly weak and desperate arguments trying to defend your build recommendation,these arguments have now "evolved" into lame hair splitting and verbal gymnastics and thats only when you take a break from your unfunny bouts of sarcasm.

not interested in the whiny nerd meta-discussion thanks

In short you are getting boring.....Maybe boredom will finally drive me away from this thread.

your puppetmaster routine is pretty stale as well. anyway don't let the door hit you on the way out.

[Krlll]

Re the CPU test they are not my "artificial conditions" they are conditions set up by professionals.
No doubt they are as clueless as me though.Correct?

Still no proof on that hot air you are spewing about all cases being made larger.....

Its not "my own thread" perhaps you should try to remember that it is not your thread either.

So you are the "posting bourgeois" now?
More arrogant drivvle from you,Im not surprised.

Haha the irony!
You have "a hatred for people wrapped up in their own ego".
Take a look at the incredibly self righteous nonsense you have written in this thread for crying out loud.

Not sure what a "whiny nerd meta-discussion" is or who is supposed to participate,certainly not you.
You are no nerd or even a geek.You are a guy with one set of ideas that seem like they will last you the rest of your days.

A puppetmaster routine...dont know what thats about either.

As for the door hitting me on the way out,keep dreaming.
I am a member of this site,a donator in fact.
Why would I leave?Especially when there is so much potential fun to be had exposing you for the fraud that you are.
You may be able to pull the wool over the eyes of some hapless person that doesnt know very much coming here to ask for advice but I see straight through you and I can assure you a great many others reading this will too.

[Carbon]

this has to be a joke at this point. i am literally stunned right now.

THE ORIGINAL POSTER IS NOT RUNNING AT 800X600
800X600 IS A WAY TO TEST CPU POWER IN GAMES AS IT NORMALLY HAS ZERO EFFECT
THEY ARE ARTIFICIAL CONDITIONS AND 'ARTIFICIAL' IS NOT A PEJORATIVE
THIS IS NOT A DIFFICULT CONCEPT TO UNDERSTAND

you and me both know any single gpu card can fit in any atx midtower+ case

and you yourself said that you were getting 'bored' or whatever so don't whine about me trying to drive you off and posting ridiculous hyperbole about being an E-INTERNET FRAUD

i have absolutely no idea what you're smoking at this point because i have relayed everything i have said at least three times and you're still making weird, completely off-topic semantic jabs at me. this has turned into the most bizarre argument i have ever had with anyone ever, i'm really trying to take it in good faith but this is kind of ridiculous.

[4D(Fordy(Ford) Ollie]

Originally Posted by Krlll

Fordy you are not factoring in the cost of bits for your dremel and more improtantly the fans you would have to buy.
I dont see why this would yield "better results" either.

The Antec 1200 isnt to everyones taste and thats fine,enjoy your hatred.
The top fan is unnecessary IMO but the front 3 are fine.
The bottom one sends cool air over my HDs.
The middle one and side one send air towards to GPU.
The top one sends air straight in to the path of my CPU cooler.
Then 2 for exhaust at the back.
The lights I can do without especially if I watch movies.
I would in fairness prefer if they were not there.
A quick cut will soon sort that problem though if it gets too annoying. hmmmmmm...

How many people don't have a dremel or a similar tool? Even if they don't, it won't cost $25 and it will come in useful time and time again.

It would "yield better results" because you could actually get a decent in/out ratio. Also in places more worthwhile.

5 fans intake and 2 fans exhaust? That's horrible.

Roughly speaking you want the same in as out. Obviously 1 difference doesn't matter to much, say 3 in and 2 out would be ok.

Seriously, a fan "sends cool air over my HDs" that's ridiculous. Unless you have crazy HDD's that's a daft position for a fan.

A standard HDD doesn't have a hope in hell of getting hot enough to need it's own special dedicated fan with flashing lights to boot.

Sure, the air flowing through the case due to other fans will be of help, but it doesn't need it's own.

Originally Posted by Bubba

Brief Interlude: Ok, so I live under a rock and have NEVER seen that "let me google that for you." That was hilarious.

Yeah I love that too, Phil introduced that to me in another thread.

Originally Posted by Krlll

So you are the "posting bourgeois" now?
More arrogant drivvle from you,Im not surprised.

Sarcasm, Irony, Rhetoricism, It's all lost on you isn't it?


[QUOTE=Krlll;116804]
You are a guy with one set of ideas that seem like they will last you the rest of your days.[/QOUTE]

Have you ever read one of Cabon's part's guides?

That could not be further from the truth.

With so many different recommendations dependent on budget, use etcetera, I don't see how you could even suggest that.

You on the otherhand have started in this thread banging the i7, 1200 drum, and have continued through to page 7. No doubt we have a fair few pages to come.