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#71
24th Jul 2009, 04:05
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| Ok guys i now have some more material for you all to start arguing over again :) and please do argue i am learning so much out of it so here goes since the last one i have seen what both krlll and Bubba have had to say in ways of what is a good machine and i have once again come up with a machine i have put together, Feel free to say what ever, i will just say though i have redefined what i think i would like out of the system now, and that is HDD = a fast paced one for gaming , a general 1Tb one for general storage and just an OS drive Case = doesnt matter at this stage cause it just depends on the individual at the time. a good sound card cause i do listen to a lot of music and am very fussy with my sounds, and i do have a7.1 surround. other then that i have brought my price down to a more REALISTIC PRICE of say bout $3000 to $4000 so here it is guys PROC : Intel Core i7-975 Extreme Edition Bloomfield 3.33GHz 4 x 256KB L2 Cache 8MB L3 Cache LGA 1366 130W Quad-Core Processor - $1000 MOTHERBOARD : EVGA 141-BL-E769-A1 LGA 1366 Intel X58 Extended ATX SLI Classified Hydro Copper Intel Motherboard - $570 MEMORY : Kingston HyperX 6GB (3 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Triple Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model KHX12800D3LLK3/6GX - $180 POWER : Thermaltake Toughpower W0132RU 1000W ATX12V / EPS12V SLI Ready CrossFire Certified 80 PLUS BRONZE Certified Modular Active PFC Power Supply - $300 STORAGE 1 ( OS ) :Western Digital VelociRaptor WD1500HLFS 150GB 10000 RPM 16MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive (bare drive) - OEM - $180 STORAGE 2 (Gaming): Western Digital VelociRaptor WD3000HLFS 300GB 10000 RPM 16MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive - OEM - $300 STORAGE 3 (General): Western Digital Caviar Green WD10000CSRTL 1TB 7200 RPM 16MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Hard Drive - $240 GRAPHICS : EVGA 017-P3-1297-AR CO-OP Hydro Copper GeForce GTX 295 1792MB 896 (448 x 2)-bit DDR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Supported Video Card - $710 CASE : ? SOUND :? TOTAL = $3480 |
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#72
24th Jul 2009, 05:33
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| Danny87 You have my recommendation you may follow it or not,its up to you. Carbon you do nothing but repeat the same thing over and over agin,thats all you do,that must be all you know. You refute professional results,your misrepresent my comments,and when all else fails you use sarcasm and insulting terms. Fordy The Antec has 4 intakes and 3 exhaust,get your facts right. You sound pretty clueless to me. Maybe you should stop sucking up to Carbon at every opportunity... Excluding you I must say the forum has not followed the typical clannish routine and I appreciate that.
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#73
24th Jul 2009, 07:54
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I have no want or need to examine the facts of the 1200 thanks. Yeah ok, I'll stop sucking up to Carbon, because that's exacly my role on this forum, my sole purpose. Awfully sorry. Danny - For your sound, go for an Asus Xonar HDAV1.3 Deluxe. About £180 I guess that's around $250 not that the price is of much concern to you  That's about as good as it gets. For you're storage drive, I think the WD Green's are the lower range? Maybe wait for someone to verify that, but I think the WD Black 1TB would be a better option. |
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#74
24th Jul 2009, 08:26
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| Carbon: Where you are missing the boat so to speak: You give great advise and your technological expertize is astounding. You give the best bang for the buck and reveal the fallacies of the sales marketing concentration of the computer industry over the real world realities. However........... Some folks just want "the new stuff" and they can afford it. Maybe they want to treat themselves. Maybe they have to learn for themselves that the minimal performance difference really ISN'T worth the extraordinary price difference, that much of it is smoke and mirrors. Or maybe, like I was, they are tired of having a computer that is obsolete almost as soon as it is acquired. Just ONCE I wanted "the new stuff." Had I met you before I built this rig I probably would have STILL grossly over spent and over built this thing. On the off chance that I would have listened to you, I would still be wondering if you were really right and I would still be wanting, just once, to have "the new stuff." Well I did it, or close enough lol, I just couldn't spend 1600 (at the time) for a QX chip or close to 2 grand for 8GB's of the just released 2000Mhz RAM. I can't envision ever doing so again and the truth of what you say is indelibly imprinted in my brain........... I always say I wish I had met you before I built this thing because I would have saved myself a ton of cash (and one epic ass chewing when my wife found out how much I spent lol) while still having a rig that could max out the games I play, but I doubt that's true. I know me. I would have read everything you wrote and STILL gone off fat, dumb, and happy and over built this the way it is...... and then admitted you were right and I should have listened..... So now I get to the whole point I'm trying to make: Once you have given your best advise on the best computer to build and someone still persists in either fanboyism or overbuilding, shrug your shoulders and help them out. If they are a Intel no matter what type, then suggest the best Intel they can get in their price range: same with ATI/nVidia. If they are bound and determined to spend a ton of cash, help them spend it "wisely." You can STILL get them the best components for their money under the restraints they give you to work with. Hell man, you do it all the time on the other end of the scale. If someone wants an ultra cheap machine you gladly advise them on the "best" they can get of the obsolete low budget stuff, why not do the same on the upper end over priced stuff? There is no doubt that the i7-975 is a good chip, if someone like Danny is bound and determined to get it, then suggest the best (albeit overpriced) MoBo to go with it. I spec'ed Danny that hydro copper nVidia because it was the most expensive X58 board I saw lol. Is it the 'best?" I lack the technical expertize to know. But you don't. You can easliy tell him that the <inset Mobo with comprable features here> or the <some other brand> is a better, more reliable, less over priced, easier to work with or whatever than the nvidia because.......... you get the picture. You may have lost the "war" but you can still win the battles lol. |
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#75
24th Jul 2009, 09:06
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| Danny: Processor: good MoBo: I dunno lol. I spec'ed that one kind of being flippant. I have a 790i Ultra and I don't know how happy I am with it. I have never heard or read great things about an nVidia board, but I have read/heard a few bad things. IMHO a plus for that board is the 4- PCIe x16 slots it has. Carbon could (if he would is another matter lol) tell you if that's the best one to get in that range or if one of the others would serve you better. Memory: For $19 more you can double your RAM to 12 GB's here. I would definitely spend the extra $19. PSU: I would go with the 1200W Thermaltake over the 1000W. I have no "good" scientific reasons. In other things I know more about, a higher top end power number means that when you run it at lower than max it runs with less effort. For instance a Yamaha YZ-80 (lol do they even still make that dirt bike anymore) will run at 60 MPH, but it's turning 7500 RPM's to do so. A Fatboy Harley will run that same 60 MPH turning 2500 RPM's which means less wear and tear on the engine for the same 60 MPH......... I spec'ed the thermaltake because it's the only brand on that page that I saw that Carbon didn't say sucked. He DID however say to stay away from 4 12volt rails so it's kind of a toss up. Storage: I don't understand your choices. Why a 150 GB Raptor and a 300 GB Veliciraptor? Why not 2-300 GB Velociraptors instead? And why the 1TB 7200 RPM Hdd? If you are planning on RAIDING them (which I don't suggest) then you are limited to the 7200 speed, so why get the 2- 10000 RPM HDDS? If you AREN'T RAIDING them, why get the 2 10000 RPM HDDS, 1- 1TB should be enough, and if you are worried then get 2-1TB HDD's. Those 10,000 RPM HDD's don't make a noticable difference (to the human senses that is) and have not yet been proven to be a reliable as the 7200's. GPU: Glad you decided to go with 1 not 2 cards. As someone who has the quad SLI set up, I can tell you it's a HUGE waste of money. I can't tell the difference if I have 1 or 2 9800GX2's in my computer (I'm running 1 now since the other went tits up on me). Actually it's quite the opposite. Some games freak out at 2 dual processor GPU's and get all squirrelly. With the $700 you didn't spend you can get one of these  Case& Audio Card: I have no recommendation. |
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#76
24th Jul 2009, 09:26
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| Bubba i totally understand what you are saying but this is ridiculous. i have explained both to Krill and the OP several times why these part selections are insane & why they have no impact on the intended use of the system. I think he took your post completely seriously and is now interested on spending the most amount of money on the most ridiculously overpriced crap and it's pretty clear that by arguing in this thread I'm going to quickly get shut down again by others arguing like 12-year-olds and ignoring sources to make attacks on me. I don't even think he _had_ the idea that he wanted to get "the new stuff" (read: acting like a dumb ricer) until you assumed he did: he was entirely receptive to common sense earlier and I don't believe in making people spend a ton of money on shit they don't need just to teach them a lesson. OP I'm not going to bother anymore at this point besides giving you this list which achieves exactly the same performance or better. Obviously such arcane notions as backing up my recommendations with empirical data aren't really worth the trouble over whoever screams loudest sooo I'll just provide a short summary. CPU: AMD Phenom II X4 955 (CPU speed is irrelevant for gaming beyond low res, but the X4 955 is @ 3.2GHz stock) Mobo: Gigabyte GA-MA790FXT-UD5P (same manufacturer & board tech as the X58 boards) RAM: 2x G.SKILL 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333 (overpriced in comparison to DDR2 but has a lot of room for tweaking with high bandwidth) HDD: Intel X25-M G2 (wait for this, it's not out yet but will be soon. high-end 34nm SSD, extremely fast and beats the Velociraptors by thousands of % in seek time, read/write, etc) HDD2: WD 1TB Black HDD3: WD 1TB Black PSU & Case: Antec CP-850 (new form factor, runs much better than standard ATX PSUs) + Antec P183 or Corsair 1000HX (one of the best PSUs on the market, modular) + Coolermaster Cosmos 1000 (one of the most advanced cases on the market, lot of nice features you can read about here) Video: 1 or 2x 4890 1GB (depending on whether heat really is a factor or not: Crossfire isn't going to help in a lot of games) Sound: HT Omega Striker (better drivers/support than the ASUS Xonar, but same chipset) Speakers, headphones, CD drives, etc up to you.
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#77
24th Jul 2009, 09:42
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__________________ "I loved the P182 so much that, when my wife's system was all noisy and needed all sorts of cleaning, I bought her one. Then, when I wanted a cat, I bought a P182. The P182 is not a cat per se, but it's still an excellent buy." |
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#78
24th Jul 2009, 16:27
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| Bubba i totally understand what you are saying but this is ridiculous. i have explained both to Krill and the OP several times why these part selections are insane & why they have no impact on the intended use of the system. Yes, you did. In English even. They weren't listening. Krill is in effect rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic. Yeah, that one over there is out of line and there aren't enough for all the elderly to sit in to catch the full effect of the sun, and the service is ALWAYS bad on those over on that side, but in the end, does it really matter? Everyone is going for a chilly swim. Or for another example, an Indy car will go faster than a NASCAR so called "stock" car. There is no denying that. Name any paved track you want and the Indy car will run faster. Yet put them both behind the pace car, and they both are doing the same 60 MPH. You can explain it for them but you can't understand it for them so after a couple of good attempts why bother lol? I think he took your post completely seriously and is now interested on spending the most amount of money on the most ridiculously overpriced crap........ I don't even think he _had_ the idea that he wanted to get "the new stuff" (read: acting like a dumb ricer) until you assumed he did: he was entirely receptive to common sense earlier and I don't believe in making people spend a ton of money on shit they don't need just to teach them a lesson. Yeah to the first part and no on the second. Go back and read his (Danny's) post, post number 33. Right then it was obvious that not only was he hot and heavy to get the i7 along with the other assorted and sundry items, but he WAS going to get them. No one is "making" him do anything, he had his mind made up by those savvy marketing folks from Intel before he posted. He changed it BRIEFLY to the qx9650, but by post 33 he was chomping at the bit. Nor was I suggesting you have him spend a lot of money to be taught a lesson, he had already decided to do that. My point was that for some of us, we won't LEARN that lesson until learn it the hard way. Sometimes, despite our better judgment, we follow because that Pied Piper is blowing such a PRETTY tune........... But in the end? Over-buying/over-building isn't going to hurt him. If spending the money meant he was going to go hungry you can be damn sure he would be looking at Pentium 4's lol. |
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#79
29th Jul 2009, 01:06
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| OK FINALLY i think this is it the one and only the final build this is what i think will work now please be honest regardless of money and what ever else do you guys think the PC build will work for what i want and FYI i will raid the HDDs Model: Custom Gaming PC PROC : Intel Core i7 920 Processor LGA1366 2.66GHz 8MB Cache CPU - $416 MOTHERBOARD : gigabyte ga-x58-ud4p - $300 MEMORY : G Skill 6G(3x2G) DDR3 PC10666 9-9-9-24Preorder $130.00 x2 ($260 = 12g) Power : Cooler Master 700W Ultimate Power Supply - $181 STORAGE 1 :Seagate Barracuda 7200.12 1TB - $90 STORAGE 2 : Seagate Barracuda 7200.12 1TB - $90 GRAPHICS : Hightech ATI HD4890 OC PCI-E 2.0 1GB 256-bit GDDR5 - $286 CASE : COOLER MASTER COSMOS 1000 RC-1000-KSN1-GP Black/ Silver Steel ATX Full Tower Computer Case - $180 Monitor : Samsung 2443BW+ 24inch wide 5ms VGA DVI Height/Swivel/Tilt - $400 TOTAL = $2200 |
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29th Jul 2009, 13:31
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| Just a few questions. Why is the CPU so expensive? You can get them brand new boxed on eBay with free shipping for about $270. This is just an example,I hope I dont get eaten alive for linking to eBay.lol Having said that the seller will give you a choice of batch something that may prove useful if you decide to overclcok. Pointless to buy 12GB ram for gaming,if it ever does become useful/necessary to have so much then by that time I would expect the ram to be even cheaper than it is now. I cannot find much info on the graphics card you have chosen but I assume the OC stands for factory overclocked? This is pretty pointless as there is freely available software that you can use to overclock the graphics card yourself. I have often overclocked bog standard graphics cards way beyond any factory overclocked card you can buy and thats with no special cooling. The motherboard: There is no point in buying a motherboard aimed at enthusiast/overclocking market if you are not going to overclock. On that same subject you can save some more money by buying an OEM CPU with no box fan etc as you will need a better heatsink to cool your CPU than the stock one provided by intel.
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