[buchanan]

hi

a while back alex helped me with an arctic cooling freezer 7 pro which worked great on my pc.

my brothers pc has always been a bit hot so i just fitted an freezer 7 pro on that pc too. his specs are: msi p4n sli mobo and Geforce Asus EN7500LE graphics card.

when i fitted it the tiny fan on the chipset fell off and the freezer 7 was too big for it to fit back on (i have to mention that i don't know how the previous owner of the pc fitted the chipset fan onto the chipset heatsink, it looked like he just pressed it on and hoped for the best: there was nothing keeping it on it just stayed there for all the time we had the pc with no problems. there is nowhere to screw or fix the fan to the heatsink and i am confused)

anyway, i though it would be ok without the chipset fan, i thought the freezer 7 cpu hsf would benefit it more.

initially temps were a bit better and i was pleased but now, a week or so on, i reckon the temps are not much better, maybe the mobo temp is higher because the chipset fan is not there anymore. basically the cpu and mobo are now idling at about 50 degrees, the hdd at 41 or so: not super cool but not hot enough to be a problem.

my issue is with the grapgics card which ha gone from 60 degrees idle to 70 degrees, and i just had a bsod which i have to attribute to this. the gpu has always been hot (60 degrees) but the pc has always been stable.

my questions are:

-how are northbridge chipset fans fixed to the heat sink?
-should i glue it on there or something (i could stick the stock cooler back on or i could stick it on there with the ac freezer 7 with a slight overhang)?
-i think 70 degrees is too hot for the gpu at idle and i am not happy with it, i am surprised the freezer 7 has not bought the cpu temp down as my other pc benefitted greatly (15 degrees lower than stock) should i stick the stock cooler back on, should i get a gpu cooler?

i installed the freezer 7 pro with arctic silver 5 and don't think i made any mistakes, i know the case is not the best and adds to the temps but before it was a stable machine and i think it might need the chipset cooler fan but i don't see a way to secure it on ther.

any ideas?

thanks guys

[spot]

Glue works fine, sometimes it's the only way and anyway it's effective. Thermal epoxy from Arctic Silver if you're a purist with a fortune, superglue from the desk drawer if you just want results.

I think you need to remove, re-clean, re-thermal-paste and remount the new cpu heatsink too, probably with less paste. Clean really does need to end up with iso-propanol for the final dissolve and wipe, too, and something lint-free to do it with. I use clean coffee filter paper.

[buchanan]

Originally Posted by spot

I think you need to remove, re-clean, re-thermal-paste and remount the new cpu heatsink too, probably with less paste. Clean really does need to end up with iso-propanol for the final dissolve and wipe, too, and something lint-free to do it with. I use clean coffee filter paper.

i may well glue it on there, see how it is and put the stock cooler back on with it if it doesn't make a difference, glue it is thanks.

i used the correct amount of as5 for a single core p4, (and used the method of a putting small bead of as5 in the centre of the cpu, then put the cooler on and let it sort itself out. this method has always worked great for me in the past and i think is the recommended method also), after cleaning well with arctiClean thermal material remover (which is a pretty good product btw, dissolves TIM on contact. easy to use) and arcticlean thermal surface purifier.
i also use a lint free cloth which i use exclusively for this purpose.

i honestly don't think refitting the cooler would make any difference at all, one of the reasons i made this thread is because i can't understand why the freezer 7 does not lower the temps more and because i think it might need the chipset fan back

[spot]

I've copied your text so I can properly tell future querents how to apply a heatsink.

The replacement heatsink's capable of achieving the reduction, we know that because it did it for you before. Maybe the room got hotter between measuring with the old and the new? Maybe the airflow in the closed computer case changed - the ribbon cables got in the way, a case fan connector lead dropped off. It surely has to be mechanical, heat is heat is heat and the universe hasn't amended the rules locally out of spite. Didn't someone once say that whatever's left is the truth however improbable, once you remove all the impossibilities?

[buchanan]

er, thank you very much for your valuable input spot.

alex are you there?

[spot]

I await the resolution of this thread with considerable interest.

[buchanan]

computer-juice is a great forum with a lot of friendly and knowledgeable people who regularly provide accurate and helpful information to those who ask for it, they do so without being elliptic or sarcastic.

and thats why people come here.

[spot]

I apologize wholeheartedly, I haven't intentionally written an iota in this thread elliptically or sarcastically. I acknowledged that your description of adding a heatsink was better than mine and I meant it. My comments on the reason for the lack of temperature drop were exactly as I thought them and meant to be entirely helpful. I'm quite taken aback at the idea they seem unhelpful. I note that you've seen the difference between the two heatsinks yourself. I note what we both know, that physics isn't partial and that consequently there's a real reason to be looked for. I offer several reasonable alternatives to consider though I grant you might find them simplistic. I'm here because I'm interested in the question and keen to discover the answer.

All that's lacking is a writing style you can take seriously, by the look of it.

I'm capable of using sarcasm but I certainly haven't in this exchange. It's intended to amuse and inform at the same time when I do employ it. I think I've used it once since I registered here.

[Desertfish]

Erm... Spot... You lawyer language is very formal and a bit on the boring side really... Can you please refer back to sarcasm? Much more amusing to read post that way...

Cheers:
Chris

[spot]

I can't manage it mate, I'm getting slapped around too much and I'm still trying to find a style which might allow me to survive. I'm way out of my depth, it's like Gloria Gaynor arriving in 8 inch platforms and a hangover trying to see past the floodlights. I am one bemused poster this week.