[cheesepuff]

interesting... link?

[Cew27]

i cant remember try googling a bit
but to my limited knowledge java and c# are incredibly similar except java can run on more platforms and has a larger following
as much as i do like Microsoft they are thief's, they tried to steal java, change it and only implement their version in Internet explorer hence the 6 year court case that was finally put to rest
as a result microsoft dropped their thiefing and now in ie you need to double click on an applet or flash object to interact with it

[dr john]

Originally Posted by Cew27 i cant remember, but i read an article a while back explaining that people think java will overtake c++ and c# in speed in the near future

Not possible.

When you compile java you produce bytecode, which then has to be passed through any operating system's java interpreter before it runs. This intermediate program will always result in slower execution. This extra intermediate step is not required with C or C++ .

The use of the intermediate Java interpretor is how java achieves it's portabilty, as once an OS has an interpreter, it can run java code, independant of which OS was used to produce the code. But the price for this portablity is slower running code.

and the interpreter is probably written in C...

[Cew27]

indeed the jvm is written in c
i looked at some graphs last night and read a few articles and there were mixed results but overall java was faster (as in 6 out of 10 tests)
but prison break came on so i hastily ran downstairs to watch it

[Mike0001]

Originally Posted by dr john As for the great surge of interest in Linux, got a web site? Look at the stats by operating systems. Not got a web site? Then look at these figures from a hit counter used on tens of thousands of site http://www.thecounter.com/stats/2008/January/os.php - under 1%

What you need to do is look at the proportion of web sites running on some form of Unix: more like 99%!

Anyway, how many jobs are there in industry developing consumer programs as opposed to web applications?

[Mike0001]

Originally Posted by dr john Not possible. When you compile java you produce bytecode, which then has to be passed through any operating system's java interpreter before it runs. This intermediate program will always result in slower execution. This extra intermediate step is not required with C or C++ .

The development of Just In Time compilers has narrowed the gap.

You can compile to the OS if you have to.

M$ .Net uses bytecode just the same, hence C#.

[cheesepuff]

Originally Posted by Mike0001 What you need to do is look at the proportion of web sites running on some form of Unix: more like 99%! Anyway, how many jobs are there in industry developing consumer programs as opposed to web applications?

when it comes to servers and such most people run them on linux because its free and does the job good enough. who uses a server as a home computer? many people use linux, just not on a computer they physically use to do stuff on. you wont play a game on a server computer, you'll play a game on a gaming computer. Although many computer use linux, they use it in a very different way. thats why they are use for websites and such because the OS is free.

edit- oh Unix, though you said Linux...then again im not sure what Unix really is...sound like something related to Linux (hence the suffix)

[Carbon]

Originally Posted by cheesepuff im not sure what Unix really is...sound like something related to Linux (hence the suffix)

I am crying at my desk right now. Curse you, Linus Torvalds!

[cheesepuff]

Originally Posted by Carbon I am crying at my desk right now. Curse you, Linus Torvalds!

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[Carbon]

Originally Posted by cheesepuff .......

Dude, Linux was based on Unix. Unix came waaaaay before it.