[bluetoothwizard1]

hello everyone.
my thoughts on vista are.
i was using my friends laptop yesterday with vista home premium installed on it.
iam not very keen on it at the moment because i have heard a few bad comments about it.
something else which did surprise me was that when i plugged my home network router into the Lan port i could not just go online like you can with xp.
also a lot of people have just started downgrading back to xp home or professional because they are not too keen either and prefer good old xp !.
all my computers i have here at home have licensed xp home or professional on them.
i will possibly give vista ago if the actual bugs do get fixed so vista is more stable.
i dont have much knowledge of vista its mostly xp iam currently familiar with.
also windows vista will not allways work on older computer systems but xp does !.

[philthomas]

I'm using a dual boot system at present with XP Pro abd Vista Ultimate ... dual core cpu, 2gb Ram and fast SATA II drives .... I dont play games much, so only have a mid range nVidia card. ..... more than adequate for Vista system requirements.

I use Vista on a day to day basis, but have to say, it's performance is definitely slower than XP.
The whole feel of Vista is slower, including responsiveness, video encoding, file copying et. etc.
When I boot into XP and conduct the same tasks, the performance is far superior.

So my question is this : "What can Vista offer that XP can't", other than prettiness and the "Fisher Price" interface.. Microsoft have really dumbed down this OS, with annoying questions/checks .... I'm surprised it doesn't ask "Can you get your mummy please, just to make sure you want to ... just to be on the safe side"

In the UK, we have enough of the government, behaving like a Nanny State, treating us like toddlers, so who needs M$ continuing the trend !

Seriously though ..... can anyone really list any good, sound reasons why folk should spend a few hundred pounds/dollars upgrading to Vista.

I am not saying Vista is crap ... from my experience it is stable, but annoying and I find it hard to recommend to anyone, because I cant list any good enough reasons.
Can ayone sell it to me ?

[Jase123]

Well Phil, the UAC is easily disabled, so the security questions won't pop up.

Once newer hardware is released, you will begin to like Vista, depending on how the rate the scoring system, so my/your score could go up or down.

I've said before, everyone did it when XP was released, the same thing is just happening .... everyone loves XP now, and they will love Vista too in time. Everyones going have to upgrade sooner or later, XP won't last forever.

Regards Jason

[Cew27]

i haven't read all the reply's on this thread but here are my opinions
vista is good :)
i have only ever had the bsod once and it was due to a corrupt driver, windows told me on reboot and fixed it. not had a problem since then
the operating system is very stable but very demanding, i think in a few months time when computer get a bit more ram and when sp1 is released along with winfs it should make for a good replacement for xp

[ashaiba]

Originally Posted by Jase123 Getting it free of the internet is called downloading illegal software and you are at risk. I disagree with everything you've said, Vista is a great O/S. List me your specs and I bet that's the reason why you had problems. Regards Jason :)

Actually, its all free. I wasnt talking about downloading Vista. i was speaking about Yod'm 3d and that google live search thing. Stuff like that, freeware, things that vista fans dont understand

Regads Ashaiba :)

[Jase123]

Well, you could of been more specific.

Vista fans don't understand, you say .... Don't get you there as I use both Vista and XP, I like both, but XP isn't going last forever, so you might as well get used to it.

Regards Jason

[philthomas]

Originally Posted by Jase123 Well Phil, the UAC is easily disabled, so the security questions won't pop up. Once newer hardware is released, you will begin to like Vista, depending on how the rate the scoring system, so my/your score could go up or down. I've said before, everyone did it when XP was released, the same thing is just happening .... everyone loves XP now, and they will love Vista too in time. Everyones going have to upgrade sooner or later, XP won't last forever. Regards Jason

UAC was turned off on day 1 and everything that is bloat is turned off too, but Vista still lags behind XP for performance. Dont take my word for it, read the independant reviews it's the arcitecture of Vista and because of this, it is fast becoming the "Lame Duck" OS. see the Inquirer

SP1 addresses bugs and fixes and improves on the slow file copying problems, but does nothing for performance, so dont hold your breath for much.

I still come back to my earlier question though :
"can anyone really list any good, sound reasons why folk should spend a few hundred pounds/dollars upgrading to Vista ?", especially when XP works, is well proven and runs faster.

[MySlowQuietLife]

My thoughts are this
I have used XP since day 1 i found it great but alass i got a new comp and decided VISTA why not?
BAD IDEA?
It has so many bugs when it comes to updating the system sometimes it works sometimes it dosent (ive tryed everthing to fix this)
using the whole of the computers available resorces is just not right if i want it to run at top performance i will make it so (not have the descision made for me)
I like the protection it offers but thats about it.
Im confused as to why microsoft didnt create vista to run all programs to run just as well as with earlier versions.
For example some programs cause vista to slow change color settings graphic settings that i have created and know that the program i am using runs fine with the settings (IT SENDS THEM BACK TO DEFAULT)
sorry about this long text but VISTA IS BAD stick with xp you cant go wrong.

[ashaiba]

Originally Posted by Jase123 Well, you could of been more specific. Vista fans don't understand, you say .... Don't get you there as I use both Vista and XP, I like both, but XP isn't going last forever, so you might as well get used to it. Regards Jason

I completly agree with you there. Vista will take over, and it is right now. But for my personal preference currently, i use xp. i only use vista on my VirtualPC to learn about it.

[MJM]

Originally Posted by link590o what pray tell is the point of buying such nice and expensive hardware if you're not even going to use all of it? if you wanted to only use a set amount of resources, then you shouldn't buy more than you think you need. vista uses everything because it can, and because it helps run things more smoothly. that's why it's such a resource hog. because it's actually USING the hardware you've got. i fail to see any reason why anyone would ...for example, go out and buy a quad core if they're only going to use one, and have it sit at like..20% load. at least Vista will use every core and milk all the performance it can out of your system.

Did you even read my post? I said I run old hardware. I'm using a laptop that I got as a cheap replacement for my other broke one. It's got a mobile AMD Athlon 1500+ and 256mb of ram, with 16 of that being used by a questionable internal gfx card. I can't run vista on this.
But no matter which hardware I would buy, I would still want the OS to use few resources. Why? More resources to spend on other things. The OS should be the last thing hogging them. I know a graphics designer and he loves Vista, but runs XP because Paintshop Pro runs smoother.
I ask, why should an OS hog the system resources with unnecessary things? When I double click "My Computer" I should never have to wait. The start bar should open up in seconds. The PC should boot up relatively fast (under one min). When I start an app that is resource heavy, the OS shouldn't have to switch it's resources around so the app has enough.
Basic tasks are taking longer than they need to and Linux proves this. I can run four desktops and use fancy themes without slowing my system down, yet XP has enough issues performing mondane tasks.

[Jase123]

Originally Posted by philthomas I still come back to my earlier question though : "can anyone really list any good, sound reasons why folk should spend a few hundred pounds/dollars upgrading to Vista ?", especially when XP works, is well proven and runs faster.

I think there are reasons. There are a few good features in Vista, such as speech recognition, there again, many people won't use that.

Answer me one question:
What did everyone do when XP was released?

Regards Jason

[philthomas]

Originally Posted by Jase123 I think there are reasons. There are a few good features in Vista, such as speech recognition, there again, many people won't use that. Answer me one question: What did everyone do when XP was released? Regards Jason

WOW !! .... speech recognition ! .... surely you cannot be serious ?
If I told that to my business friends, I would be laughed out the door.
I ask my question again :

"can anyone really list any good, sound reasons why folk should spend a few hundred pounds/dollars upgrading to Vista ?".

When XP was released, it was full of bugs and it was such a radical change, compared to W98se that many folks were frightened of it. It wasn't until SP1 was released, that things settled down and folk began to accept it.

The difference with Vista is, it has nothing radical or new to offer, other than a pretty interface ...... it's a big let down and offers very little to tempt people into buying it.
Microsoft had 8 years to perfect an OS and this is the best they could come up with, it's a disgrace really and is slowly getting the same reputation as Windows ME. The performance issues are inexcusable .... how on earth can a new OS be regarded as superior, whilst these exist.

The Business world dont want it, the Public dont want it and M$ have already taken steps to prolong the life of XP and have had no choice but to offer it, as an alternative OS on new PCs, due to pressure from the big manufacturers and Joe Public.

Currently .... why would anyone, who knows the facts, rush out and spend hundreds of pounds/dollars, to upgrade, when there is such little benefit ? ..... the answer to this is probably very simple ..... those that do, have been sucked in by all the hype and advertising and like to be at the forefront of all things new and shiny.
Microsoft publish figures and stats, trying to convince us that Vista is doing well and they have sold nnnnn thousands/millions of copies in the first 12 months.
What they neglect to tell you is, a large percentage of these sales are OEM copies, supplied with new PCs & Laptops, where folk have had no choice in the matter.
The true figures are much lower than M$ would have us believe.

Clearly you like it, personally I dont dislike it, but it is a frustrating dumbed down OS and I can see no good reason today, to recommend it over XP and neither can you if you're honest .

[Jase123]

I'm not saying I prefer Vista over XP, I just don't like the fact that many people diss Vista before they've even tried it.

I have multiple test systems, where I test all soughts of BETAS, and I've had Vista running for over a year, with no problems whatsoever --- there you go, great stability.

Here's my quote that folks like:

"Vista is the way forward, XP won't last forever" ... so you might as well get used to it, instead of complaining.

People moaned about XP when that was released, and preferred 98. But as you rightly said, it was full of bugs ect. until SP1 was released. But look now, XP is loved by many people, Vista can only get better.

No matter what MS do with their O/S's, someone is always going to moan ....

Regards Jason

[philthomas]

Well ..... I have been running Vista Ultimate for over 6 months now and as mentioned earlier, I would not knock it for stability. I just dont think it is good value for money and neither do the folk in the "infomed IT world".

I agree, it can only get better, but what M$ have to realise is .... XP works and it works well, it has been finely tuned over the last 8 years and drivers for hardware and peripherals are easily available and on th whole there are no incompatibilities with software. Vista still has many issues in these areas and has the added handicap of additional problems, including Network issues, Performance, file copying, and pickyness with Flash drives, to mention a few.

Folks in business, first and foremost, want an OS that works and XP does ..... Vista still has a long wat to go and personally I dont believe any amount of pretty gizmos, to try match the Mac, will convince them that Vista is what they need. Joe Public are of a similar view and I wouldn't be at all surprised if the support dates for XP are not extended again.

I love anything new, but only if it's better and offers advantages. I dont moan because I can .... I moan when something isn't right.
The only way Vista will succeed in its current form, is if M$ discontinue XP, as XP is its biggest rival and is currently winning

[jezza]

I don't have the option of installing vista as i have an old pc (a slightly upgraded dell optiplex GX50). But a mate of mine has bought a new pc with vista home basic installed oem. As this is his first pc he doesn't know any different, but when i use it i find it slower than xp pro on my puny little dell! I'll continue using xp until it is becomes really out of date, much like win95 is now, by then vista probs should be sorted then i'll use it.