[Sim]

What are your views on the the Large Hadron Collider (LHC) in Switzerland and France? it's nearly set to begin its first particle beam tests. Are we going to learn so much more about life and the universe and how we came to being ? I found an article below which I thought was interesting....

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SCIENTISTS are trying to stop the most powerful experiment ever – saying the black holes it will create could destroy the world.

Dubbed by some the Doomsday test, it will be carried out next week in the Large Hadron Collider (LHC), located 300ft underground near the French-Swiss border.

The machine is 17 miles long and cost £4.4billion to create.

When its switch is pulled on September 10, this atom-smasher will become a virtual time machine, revealing what happened when the universe came into existence 14 billion years ago.


New particles of matter are expected to be discovered, new dimensions found beyond the four known, as scientists re-create conditions in the first BILLIONTHS of a second after the Big Bang.

Experts even predict that millions of tiny black holes will be produced — baby brothers of the monsters gobbling up dust and stars at the heart of the galaxies.


Secrets

That is why boffins are now trying to stop the project with a last-ditch challenge in the courts.

They fear the LHC experimenters are tinkering with the unknown and putting mankind — and our whole planet — at risk.

The group responsible for the experiment, the European Nuclear Research Centre (CERN), says that these mini black holes will vanish as quickly as they are created.

But the anti-CERN brigade accuse the scientists of playing God, warning that no one can guarantee that the black holes will not survive, rapidly growing in size to suck the Earth out of existence in an instant.

But CERN, which includes several UK scientists, say their work is vital to unlock the secrets of matter that forms everything known in the universe.

In the experiment, atomic particles will be fired in opposite directions along the 17-mile long underground ring — the length of the Circle Line on the London Underground.

They will travel so fast that they make 11,245 trips around the tunnel every SECOND.

From the collisions, boffins expect to discover a fundamental bit of the atom, called the Higgs boson, that is expected to exist but which has never been seen.

Professor Otto Rossler, from the Eberhard Karls University of Tubingen in Germany, is one of the scientists mounting the legal challenge at the European Court of Human Rights against 20 countries which are funding the project.


He said: “It is quite plausible that these little black holes will survive and will grow and eat the planet from the inside out.”

A CERN spokesman said: “It will not be producing anything that does not already happen routinely in nature.”

Source: http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage...cle1630897.ece

[Bubba]

Well I guess if you subscribe to the big bang theory as absolute truth then you would think this will end the world. Bunch of Luddites if you ask me. Galileo was a heretic, Columbus a fool (everyone knows the world is flat) and Einstein an idiot. Global warming is caused by America and George W. Bush is the root of all evil and the cause of every problem world wide since the beginning of recorded history. Given the track record of "the established" scientists against free thinkers, I say go for it. If worst comes to worst and the world blows up it will happen so quick we'll never know it lol.

Remind me on the night of the 9th will you so I can have an excuse for a good meal, a few extra beers and maybe some hanky panky with the wife..............

[Carbon]

The "end of the world" stuff is unscientific BS for a variety of reasons.

[JTankers]

I reviewed the published LHC safety reports, rebuttals and comment papers by CERN, Dr. Rossler, Dr. Plaga and others.

My conclusion is that neither side knows with reasonable certainty what will happen and destruction of Earth has not been excluded.

The proper course of action is a safety conference as Dr. Rossler calls for and safety mitigation procedures as Dr. Plaga calls for, not the sprint that CERN calls for.

[ParsleyAigh]

i believe they should just stop this madness. Who cares about how we were created. Let faith be the judge of that and fund those 4.4 billion pounds for the poor, injured, disabled, ill, and needy instead of some stupid scientific bs. I believe if we do die then good riddence, God will finally pour some sense into us that way.

[Carbon]

Let faith be the judge of that and fund those 4.4 billion pounds for the poor, injured, disabled, ill, and needy instead of some stupid scientific bs

I would tend to agree with you, but minus the disparity between wealth between rich and poor nations, technological progress has brought the lower-class, ill, disabled, etc a much easier way of life. Without a serious study of quantum behavior we wouldn't have the integrated circuit - just think of how worse off those who need medical care, for example, would be without modern computing. Would you rather be in a age where the way to diagnose a tumor is by X-ray, or by MRI?

A discovery of the Higgs Boson etc would revolutionize physics and science in general and even if the multiple experiments going on at CERN.

I recommend reading this post for a accurate rebuttal of the OH NOES DESTROY THE WORLD stuff and this user's posts in general for a view inside the LHC itself. It's pretty spectacular.

Also, the "came into being" part is a strawman. The LHC is primarily not an investigation into the Big Bang. It is an investigation into basic physical processes and particles. Of course, the two will be linked, but so is going outside and studying plants.

[philthomas]

If any of them thought for one minute, that a few protests would stop them from proceeding, they would have done it in secret.
Goverments are supporting this, otherwise it would be stopped and would never of been funded in the first place..

[Bubba]

That's sweet. But what did Jesus say when one of the disciples chastised Mary for wasting money to pour scented oil on Jesus's head? Something like "there will always be poor people." (
Poverty is a mental disease, not a "condition." Ask Rodney King........ or maybe Mike Tyson.............

Originally Posted by ParsleyAigh

i believe they should just stop this madness. Who cares about how we were created. Let faith be the judge of that and fund those 4.4 billion pounds for the poor, injured, disabled, ill, and needy instead of some stupid scientific bs. I believe if we do die then good riddence, God will finally pour some sense into us that way.

[fantastvik]

i have watched it in the news channel, they calim that world's going to end on 10th Aug. is there is an iota of truth in the news then this the last bye from the newest member of this forum

[JTankers]

High energy collisions are probably months away (CERN tends to exaggerate how quickly the experiment can begin). If dangerous particles are created there will likely be no noticeable effects for years, decades or centuries.

The safety opposition alleges CERN is not being fully open and honest about the facts, about the certainty of safety or the credibility of the scientists who calculate a reasonable probability of catastrophic danger.


The safety arguments are based on disputed physics including Hawking Radiation (refuted by multiple papers as flawed conjecture, does not exist) and disputed cosmic ray arguments (if micro black holes are created by head-on collisions in particle colliders some will travel too slowly to escape Earth, unlike cosmic ray created particles that may not be stopped by any of the stable bodies we see in the universe due to extremely small mBH size, relativistic mBH speed, neutral mBH charge and super fluidity of Neutron Stars).

Got LHCFacts.org?